Episode Transcript
[00:00:12] Speaker A: Architects.
Yeah.
Hello. How are you?
[00:00:42] Speaker B: Hello. I'm very well, Very well, thank you.
[00:00:44] Speaker A: What means Paris to you?
[00:00:46] Speaker B: I love Paris, actually. I. I really love Paris. I always have done. I've been here a couple of times with my wife on holiday and we've always had fantastic shows here.
Dan met his wife here when she was living in Paris.
So, yeah, Paris has a special place in Architect's heart.
[00:01:09] Speaker A: So I just want to congrats, you and all the band, of course, for this 11th.
It's hard for me to say that.
[00:01:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it's hard for me to do it.
[00:01:19] Speaker A: There's everything in it, all the career of Architects. We can find it in this album. I think so.
[00:01:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I think. I think we've tried to obviously bring in elements of our. Of things that we've done before, while at the same time trying to push it and be. Be as creative as possible. But you learn a lot over being in a band for. For this amount of time. And I think if you're going to release a record at this point in your. In your band's career, it has to be really, really good. You can't just be average because otherwise people just wouldn't be interested. You need to. I think people will think they have an idea of what Architects is at this point and you need to shake that up and you need to have. Yeah, you need to make people be like, have you heard the new Architects? You need to listen to this. You need to do that. And it needs to be a special album. And I think we've achieved that and, you know, we work very hard on it. So. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for saying that.
[00:02:09] Speaker C: Especially in this period where there's a lot of band that have been influenced by you.
[00:02:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:16] Speaker C: That are coming to the. To the. To the scene and you have to keep the level and keep the energy, even if you.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: Yeah, we have to constantly try and top ourselves.
It's honestly just a massive honor that the bands cite us as an influence, but at the same time, you can't. You can't rest. You have to. You have to keep pushing and trying to be creative. And also you can take inspiration from. From those bands that have been inspired by you and have maybe done other things with it. So, yeah, it's. It's a. It's always about learning. You know, you have to keep learning and not be afraid to try and try and fail and try and succeed.
[00:02:53] Speaker A: Sometimes and in events. I'm old, not you.
[00:02:56] Speaker B: No, no, I am. I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it.
[00:03:00] Speaker A: How do you do to be okay on. On stage and everything?
[00:03:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I feel good. I think I've. I've been sober for nearly two years now. Yeah. So I stopped drinking and have been taking care of myself a lot more.
Just as you get older, your priorities change, you know, I've done a lot of. Done a lot of partying in my life and now it's, it's the time to be. To be focused. And I think coming into this record, that's what we. We wanted to achieve is, is that we were all pulling in the. In the right direction and giving this album the, the best possible chance to succeed. And so far it feels like it's really working.
[00:03:36] Speaker A: And do you remember the first time you. You metal music, you met alternative rock music? You know, the first time you say, oh, wow.
[00:03:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I think probably the first time that I came into real contact with sort of heavier music was probably Nirvana.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:03:51] Speaker B: I think. I think it was probably Nirvana like around.
That was probably the first type of heavy ish music that I was into. I loved the Beatles and the Stones growing up. Obviously they and Led Zeppelin, so they have some heavy moments. But yeah, actually in terms of hearing somebody like shouting and screaming, it's probably caught on. On Nevermind.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: What was your feeling in this moment?
[00:04:12] Speaker B: I loved it. I just loved the energy. I think I was. I was a. I was an energetic kid that didn't really necessarily know where to put all my energy.
So I was always running around the place. Not much has changed. I'm pretty similar now. But yeah, I loved it and I listened to that record so much. I still do. I love Nevermind and In Utro so much. Like those two records are unbelievable. I mean, obviously all their albums are incredible, but those two are the ones that really stick out for me because they were ones that I just blasted so much when I was a kid.
But then I went on from there to, you know, Linkin Park, Slipknot, Papa Roach, those kind of bands that were.
Were massive then and were important. Limp Bizkit, they're just incredibly influential bands on, on this genre now, you know, still to this day.
And then I remember finding out about bands like Under Oath and Norma Jean and, and Kill Switch engage that bands like this with the screaming and the singing and the sort of more ferocious vocals, more like in the Slipknot world, I guess. Slipknot kind of was the gateway into that.
And then, yeah, I've ended up. Ended up here.
[00:05:26] Speaker A: It. It canalize your energy. You mean like all this violence, all this aggressive Sounds.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: Yeah. I think when you're a kid you just have loads of energy, don't you? You.
And when you, when you're going to shows and. You know, I remember going to shows and being in like mosh pits and stuff when I was a kid and being like, yeah, this is exactly where I want to be. And you're surrounded by like minded people. I think when you're a teenager and stuff, you just. You don't know whether you're coming or going. It's. It's a crazy time. Right. So music is. Yeah. So important then and it still is now. It's just you, you still listen. You can still listen to those songs. They kind of take you back to that. That place, don't they? Of course, that, that childhood. I think that's why so many people's favorite records are like records from their childhood. Because it's more about like a sort of soundtrack of a time rather than like actually the album itself, you know.
[00:06:17] Speaker A: And we used to say that in France when we listen to this kind of music and your kind of music, the kids are just alone. They maybe they don't have friends. They laugh about him.
[00:06:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:29] Speaker A: What about you?
[00:06:31] Speaker B: We had that at school as well. We had the like grunges.
That's what, that's what we were. We were the Grunges and the skaters. We had the grunges, the skaters, the punks. And then we had like the. Yeah, we just had. We were like the sort of outcasty type kids. But I, I got on with everyone when I was at school. I was sort of.
I was sort of like this cheeky chap in between everyone, you know, I could sort of have. I was always very.
I'd always just take the piss out of myself. So I think it sort of made everyone sort of laugh before they could sort of try and do anything to me. But yeah, I was. Yeah, across the board. I was pretty. Pretty friendly with everybody and sort of knew how to sort of get myself out of trouble.
[00:07:13] Speaker A: Now this time you got some rage or maybe anger against the world, the politicians when you. We. You were young and maybe today also.
[00:07:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I don't think much of that changes really, but I think when you're a kid you don't really. I didn't really have much. I wasn't really paying much attention to what was going on in the world. I think I was more just sort of worried about, you know, what time my friends were coming out to skate. That was really what was going.
[00:07:38] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:07:39] Speaker B: That's kind of where you get to when you get to 36 as well, you know, you start to wonder what time your mates are coming out. So, yeah, it's. Yeah, I think when you're sort of in that middle age, the 20s, you know, I felt like that's when I was discovering politics and really getting in there.
[00:07:55] Speaker A: And now about your voice in the new album and all the albums you did, we can.
I think this is a mix between all your voices. You know, the first ones, like the hard ones, like when you were hurt. The new ones with the technical things and really modern things and the soft ones, of course. Is that true?
[00:08:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. I think I've tried to show on this, everything that I possibly can show, you know. No, I've tried. I've tried my hardest to. To push. Push myself as a vocalist.
I think for a long time I'm not the most confident person in terms of like, performing and singing. I think it's not. It's not something that comes really naturally to me, but I can do it. And I think over the last couple of years I've sort of been learning how to get better with that and be a bit kinder to myself. I've had. I've had a singing coach for the last year and a half and she's really helped bring out. Bring out that. That side of me as well. And it encouraged me as a vocalist to. To keep going. And she. Yeah, she's been really great. And also working with Jordan and Dan in the studio has been. Yeah. Really important. So.
[00:09:09] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. Your vocals.
I. I've been listening to Architects from the beginning and we can say that after Holocrown, there was a change, I guess, because it was too intense to maintain this scream. I guess it's. It was one of my guess.
[00:09:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:26] Speaker C: That the. The. For me, the first record are way.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: More shout shouted like on Ruin or on Hollow Crown.
[00:09:33] Speaker C: Or A Crown.
[00:09:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Especially very shrill. Yeah.
[00:09:37] Speaker C: And after your. Your voice, the. The scream get more controlled, I guess. And it was a big change. And on the. On the last single you released, which is at the time, it's Black Hole, I think you have an even new technique, like a more bassy scream.
That is really impressive. I didn't. I never really heard this from you.
[00:10:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:09] Speaker C: And I thought it. I'm like, after all this time, it still finds new things to. New place to go and. And that's great because it gives even more variety to.
[00:10:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:20] Speaker C: To your panel.
[00:10:21] Speaker B: I think with. With Hollow Crown, with that era, I mean, like Even from I'm ruin before it ruined when I was in the studio, I lost my voice. Yeah.
[00:10:29] Speaker C: So we can tell when you. We listen to the album that it's. It's like really real screams.
[00:10:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And then with Hollow Crown, I mean, when I did Hollow Crown, I was 18, 17. The voice changes a lot in that sort of time. You know, when you.
[00:10:45] Speaker C: If you think was also higher.
[00:10:46] Speaker B: Yeah, higher. I mean, because I was a kid. Yeah, yeah. And I think, you know, by when we did Daybreaker, the Here and now was after that, then it was Daybreaker, that's also a kid that hadn't been on tour. You know, when we did Hollow Crown, I'd done like two or three tours.
[00:11:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:11:04] Speaker B: And then we were doing American tours non stop. And I think by that point I'd found my voice because pre being in Architects, I was a drummer I'd play drums for from my life up until that point. So I had no idea what I was doing, which is great as well. You know, at that point. At that point it's like you don't know what you're doing. You don't know how to look after your voice. You don't care. You're just. You're just like 17 years old in a. 17, 18 in a recording studio where you're like, I'm gonna fucking blow my voice out. Let's go.
And now I think I'm at a point where like I've, you know, 36 now instead of 17. You know your voice more. But. But I think a lot of stuff just naturally changes when you grow older. I think there's. There's never been too much technique behind my screaming or singing. It's just been me shouting as loud as I possibly can. But in terms of like actually singing, I've worked very hard and. And then that helps the screams as well.
[00:12:06] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:12:06] Speaker B: And in terms of the low stuff, like, I just. I found myself over the years live doing a bit. A bit more, a bit here, a bit there. I think people seem to enjoy it. So I was like, oh, it. We'll try and try and bring some in on, on this record. And yeah, it's fun. It makes things just sound ridiculous because it's so heavy. Yeah. And then I'm trying to sound like a monster over the top of it. Yeah, it's. It's funny. And I think with this record it was so, so many points where we were like really trying to make it so ridiculous and it was really cutting through.
[00:12:38] Speaker C: It's really good.
[00:12:39] Speaker B: Thank you so Much.
[00:12:40] Speaker A: And this way of singing, is that a weapon to. To say things?
[00:12:45] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it can be. I think it's just quite. Especially with this record, I think we're just quite honest and open about where we're at in our lives. I think that's what Dan was trying to. To get at. I think it's.
Yeah, it's. It's not the easiest place to live in this world. I think it's. Everyone find. Has their own issues with it. It's.
Life can be amazing and it can be hard. I think both things can be true. I think it's.
Yeah. Important to open up about that stuff like we have done on this album and as I have done for years. I think it's important to talk. I think a problem shared is a problem halved. I think that saying is really true. I think if you're. If you're walking around carrying that on your shoulders, that burden of. Of what's going on in your head without discussing it, it's. It can be a really lonely place.
[00:13:35] Speaker A: And you've got some anger again against God.
[00:13:40] Speaker B: Not as much. Not as much anti God.
I wouldn't say, like. I wouldn't say I'm religious.
I would say that there's. There's. I don't know what is going on. I would say. I just don't know.
[00:13:52] Speaker C: Getting spiritual with them.
[00:13:54] Speaker B: I don't know if I would be getting spiritual. I just don't think I could say either way.
[00:13:58] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:13:58] Speaker B: I don't think there's. I don't think there's a man in the sky, but I certainly. There's some stuff that's happened in my life that I can't explain.
[00:14:07] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:14:08] Speaker B: Which is kind of cool. You know, I kind of like the not knowing.
[00:14:12] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:14:13] Speaker B: Element. Like, how could we. You know, how could we. How could. I mean, obviously everything sort of kind of leans towards the fact that there is nothing. But if there is something that's kind of cool. And for me, I'm like. I just. I enjoy the. The questioning of it because that's kind of life, isn't it? Like, why are we here? Why am I sat here now? Why are we having this conversation? And what. Why did I start like creating music as a child to still be here, 11 albums in. It's. It's a weird, weird, weird old world and we're all kind of going through our own separate, Separate sort of movies, you know, and yeah, it's. It's cool. But yeah, Dan's. Dan's more spiritual than I am. And Dan is, he's always bringing religion into a lot of, a lot of the lyrics. And I think, I think it's important to do that. I think it's, it's the ojo age old question of, you know, life and death and what is the purpose in all of this. And I think the older I get, the more I realize that the kind of purpose is just to be kind and to take care of people as best you can, whilst at the same time saying that, trying to take care of yourself. Because I think that's something that we all neglect really, don't we?
We speak to people in a much nicer way than we often speak to ourselves.
[00:15:32] Speaker C: Also, I think when we get older, having something, knowing that some things are out of our control and things can happen, it also gives a little bit of hope.
[00:15:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:15:44] Speaker C: I think we need hope for sure.
[00:15:46] Speaker B: I think, I think it's, it is a crazy world and, and you, and you, you do hear of these, do hear and do and do experience these, these moments that are like sort of beyond sort of comprehension and, and something like sort of magic almost, you know, And I think that's kind of cool. I don't think everything needs an explanation. I think obviously some people kind of rack their brains and think they figured it out and, but for me, I'm just like, whoa, you know, like, that's nuts. And I, I, I, I, I like, I, I like the, the not knowing and just, just try and live every day as, as well as you can. It's not possible. Every day I don't sit around, I don't sit around and feel as happy and spiritual and awake as I do now. Some days I just, I'm exhausted and don't want to get out of bed and you know, it's.
Yeah, we need both. Yeah. And I think, I think also like when you have those times where you, where you want to sit down and relax and just watch TV and just sit around, like, try not to beat yourself up for it because you've earned the right to be able to do that, you know?
[00:16:51] Speaker A: And again, about this album, of course, Walking with Jordan.
[00:16:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: Your friend.
[00:16:57] Speaker B: Yeah, amazing, amazing friend.
[00:16:58] Speaker A: Yeah, we can hear that. Jordan is over there.
[00:17:00] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:17:01] Speaker A: I was with a friend from, we saw her in the morning and I was telling. I don't have the word. Sorry.
[00:17:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:07] Speaker A: I'm not technical. I was just like, I can feel him. Did you do to do?
[00:17:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:17:12] Speaker A: She laughed and said, yes. You understand?
[00:17:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel that it's funny I think also, like, I think people associate him with different things as well. He brings so much to the table musically, and I've seen it a couple of times, like you say, like, people. I think people think that he brings, like, the electronics to. To stuff, but he's so much more than that, you know, especially with some of the riffs that he was coming out with and the melodies and the. How heavy he can make stuff sound. I think him and Dan together was fantastic of me sort of being in the middle of it and us all kind of working together on bringing stuff together was such an amazing experience. I think he's.
More than anything, I think people need to know that he's just a great human and he's the same as me and Dan with the drive. It can be unhealthy. It can be. We can really. All three of us really took ourselves to the edge with this one and kind of the search for as perfect as you can get it, because I think trying to find perfect is impossible. But, yeah, we all put everything into this. And he was amazing at kind of bringing out the best of me and Dan as well, you know, being able to have someone come in and pull out and tell us what. What we were good at, you know, what parts of my voice that he loved or that fans loved and what people were missing from the drums or the vocal performances. And, yeah, he. He really managed to help, to help pull that out of us.
[00:18:43] Speaker A: We can feel that is more groovy, maybe, or heavy, of course.
[00:18:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:48] Speaker A: But new metal, yeah.
[00:18:53] Speaker B: Yeah. There's lots to it everywhere, I think. I mean, how can you not be influenced by it? You know, Listen to Linkin park and. And. And a lot of those bands just influenced that entire. Our entire scene, really, whether people want to admit it or not. It's. It's ridiculous.
[00:19:09] Speaker C: The scene wouldn't be there without them.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: No. Without Linkin park, without. Without Limp Bizkit, without Korn, all these bands that just set everything up. You know, bands like Deftones that I wouldn't say are a new metal band, but, yeah, they were part of the. They were a part of that world that's still going. Still influencing us. I have a thing in my head where I'm like, when it comes to our band, I'm like, what would Deftones do? When I get up, when we get our stuff, or we're looking at videos or we're looking at tours or anything? In my head, my first thing is like, what would Deftones do? Because I just see them as the ultimate Credible, brilliant band, you know, for me.
[00:19:47] Speaker C: So Deftones was one of my favorite band.
[00:19:50] Speaker B: Yeah, the best.
[00:19:50] Speaker C: And. And I think from the new metal era, they were not the most popular. No, but they have been the. The more constant.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:59] Speaker C: Like all records are.
[00:20:00] Speaker B: And everyone. Every. And everybody loves them. They're so consistent and. And just amazing and. And, you know, I had the opportunity to speak with Chino last year, a festival we were doing. I spoke to him for a while and just. I have absolutely nothing but amazing things to say about him. Just a great person. And he gave me his phone number. We stayed in contact and. Yeah, just to just, you know, when people are like, oh, don't meet your heroes. And, you know, I was not let down there at all.
[00:20:28] Speaker A: And there's some solo in your songs in the album. I feel like heavy ones, like in the last single.
[00:20:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:20:36] Speaker A: I was surprised, like.
[00:20:37] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. We've done a few solos now. We did. There's one in Numerology Ground on the last record. Oh, yeah, this is a couple on the record on this one. I think there's one in this one and another one.
But, yeah, we're trying to. I think Adam's a fantastic guitarist, so it was about sort of pushing him, really. You know, we wrote that solo in the studio with Jordan and myself down and Jordan wrote that and, you know, trying to get him to. To come to the front and show that he's an amazing guitarist. I think Josh was a fantastic guitarist and he was. He was, you know, an amazing guitarist.
And Shredder, you know, he. The solo on Numerolon is crazy, but trying to get Adam to come to the front and take that moment after Josh left, it's been great to see him sort of flourish as a guitarist because he is an amazing guitarist. He just needs to.
He needs the support of the band to sort of help him get there. It's not naturally a thing that he would do standing at the front. And I think kind of goes for all of us. We're not. I wouldn't say that we're like your average rock stars, you know, I would say that we're just five, four mates that just somehow have still got this. Yeah. Like. Well, yeah, yeah.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: Still.
[00:21:57] Speaker B: Really. Yeah. It's just. It's not. It's. It's. Yeah, we've sort of fallen into it by just really caring about what we do. So, yeah, trying to take care of him, bring him. Him forward. I think he's. He's doing a great job and it's a great Solo, I think it is.
[00:22:11] Speaker A: Album Everybody we can hear everybody we can feel everybody. Yeah, it's more maybe. I don't know if it's true, but it's sincere. Sincere.
[00:22:19] Speaker B: Sincere.
[00:22:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I think that we. Obviously me, Jordan and Dan wrote all of it, but actually when it came to tracking the last. The. The record properly, we all rented the. The studio together and we had like three studios going and it was me, Jordan and Dan doing vocals. The drums were done before we got there, which was. Which was great. You know, Dan going in and just smashing everything. And because it was the studio near his house, so that was ready to go. So there was the bed of everything. Then we did the vocals and while we were doing the vocals, all the guitars were being retracked and done properly. And yeah, it was nice to have everybody together to sort of have that get it over the line as a group because Architects is, you know, so important as what. What. What's great about us is, is that friendship, you know, and. And you can hear that and that personality and in the way everybody performs things. It's. Yeah, it's important to us that. That people know that it's the four of us and it. And it. And it has been since, you know, since Lost Forever, you know, since when we got Adam to join. Adam toured with us on 100 days, which was. Which was the end of Daybreaker. So, yeah, it was Tom and Tom and Adam together. And, you know, Adam's been around since then. I think some people still think of him as like a. A new guitarist, but he's. Yeah, he's been with us for a while. So yeah, it's the four of us. And then we have the. Our two session guys that travel with us. Martin, who's been an amazing addition to the touring party, he was our guitar tech for a long time. He was Tom's guitar tech as well.
So he stepped up and it's been amazing. And. And Ryan, who was mine and Ali's good friend at home, he's come in and started playing keyboards and doing back in vocals and guitar as well. So it's. It's. Yeah, we. When we go live, we.
[00:24:06] Speaker A: We're a big unit and we do choose the. The featurings. There's two House of Protection.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: Well, we went with that. It was real easy. House of Protection. Jordan was working with and has. Has worked with and writes with. Oh and we've known them for a long time. I mean, I've known Steven since 2011, 2012.
We've been. Been very good friends. Since then. And just like, literally one of the best people I've ever met. Like, just the nicest dude. Nicest dude. Coolest dude. Like, so talented.
It's just like a real tastemaker, you know, like if. If he says something's cool, it's cool. I like, I back it. Like, I completely. Anything that he. With, I with.
And when he started House of Protection with Eric, who's like just the most insane drummer ever, just. Yeah. Couldn't wait to get them on the record. Like, even before I heard House of Protection, I knew it was going to be good because those two are just great musicians. And you add Jordan into the mix and it's just. Can't be it.
[00:25:11] Speaker C: And it's not their first project.
[00:25:13] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly.
[00:25:14] Speaker C: So they know you know what they can do. So.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: Yeah. And with. With Amira, she was working with Zach who mixed the record.
[00:25:23] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:25:24] Speaker B: And Jordan proposed her for. For the song. And me and Dan were driving back from a festival somewhere. I can't remember where it was, but we. We listened to her, to her record and we were like, holy, this is really good.
She's. Yeah, she's really, really good and like, just super enthusiastic and just like, she like went into the studio like two, three times and just absolutely smashed it.
[00:25:49] Speaker C: Like you can blood. Also, I think she's part of the like a younger generation.
[00:25:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:55] Speaker C: More fresh eye on.
[00:25:56] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think she's kind of influenced by older music. Yeah, definitely difference there for sure. But I think she's kind of got like a.
She leans into everything. I think it's like a really cool alternative, but at the same time she has this like, great pop ear. Yeah, yeah. But I. I genuinely. I genuinely think she's gonna be massive.
[00:26:19] Speaker C: I think that's what is cool with the younger generation.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:22] Speaker C: Like, they take all the old music as the same thing.
[00:26:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:26:26] Speaker C: Whereas when we grew up, it was. Even if you're younger than us, but I mean, we grew up in. It was more closed.
[00:26:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:26:35] Speaker C: You know?
[00:26:35] Speaker B: Yeah. So I also think like that older music is getting. It's getting its flowers now. It is getting what it deserves.
[00:26:42] Speaker C: You know, we were talking about Deftones, I think is exactly what's happening to Deftones. There's so many bits and like porn and stuff like that corn are coming back too. Like really bigger shows. Yeah, yeah.
[00:26:55] Speaker B: That's what they deserve. That's what they deserve. I think, as you say, like, I think there was a period where it was a. Was like a dirty word. It's so crazy. It's like this. They're like the biggest selling albums of all time. Like hell yeah.
[00:27:10] Speaker C: That's so true.
[00:27:11] Speaker A: And we talk a lot about mental health in the show. So we used to take a look at the critics on the Internet.
[00:27:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:18] Speaker A: Oh, on Instagram.
[00:27:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:20] Speaker A: And sometimes it hurts me.
[00:27:22] Speaker C: It hurts.
[00:27:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:24] Speaker A: It's hard to manage it.
[00:27:26] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:27:26] Speaker A: How do you do?
[00:27:27] Speaker B: I don't do it.
[00:27:29] Speaker C: You don't? I don't read.
[00:27:30] Speaker B: I don't read it. I don't let anyone comment on my stuff.
I just think I'm too sensitive. I'm too sensitive and I don't, I don't think there's anything wrong with, with admitting that I'm just not, I'm not strong enough to take the criticism and I don't care enough to take the praise.
[00:27:51] Speaker C: Yeah.
Take the time to.
[00:27:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:54] Speaker C: Handle it.
[00:27:55] Speaker B: And I, and I have done in the past and it's just, it just doesn't serve me any purpose. Like, it just makes me sad. There can be a hundred amazing nice comments. There can be two that awful and they just sit with you for the rest of the day. And I just think I tried to approach it with more empathy than maybe I used to because I used to just reply to being like, go fuck yourself. Eat, get a life. But that's just a waste of my energy.
[00:28:24] Speaker C: And then it makes them happy.
[00:28:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:26] Speaker C: Because it took time to answer them.
[00:28:28] Speaker B: Yeah. There's a, There was a funny, a funny thing that the, the last thing I did before I like stopped, there was someone that gave me a load of.
It was like a. He really went in. Then I went on his page and there was like a gofundme that he'd set up for his dog that was ill. And I donated money to his dog that was ill and just, and just said, I just replied to his comment being like, I've just donated to the surgery of your dog. I hope everything goes well. And I felt like I didn't do it for any reason. I didn't. Yeah. I didn't want. Yeah. But I didn't, I didn't broadcast that I'd done it. And I mean, even talking about it now, it feels stupid. But I just did it because I wanted to just show that person that, like, I'm just a human. And like at that moment, hopefully he was like, oh, he's a good human. And I, and I wanted to just be like, you don't know what's going on in my life or what I've. I'm going through. And your comment Was his comment was particularly nasty. And then he apologized and was like, I, I, I'm so sorry. I didn't, I, I don't know why I did that. And I just, Even if, like, that one moment sticks with that one person, then that's cool, but I don't have the energy to go through and do that all the time.
[00:29:41] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:29:41] Speaker B: So I just. On my personal page, it costs you.
[00:29:44] Speaker C: A lot of money.
[00:29:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
I'd have loads of rescue dogs. Yeah.
[00:29:48] Speaker C: And if the dog doesn't have. Yeah, you have to break the dog leg and.
[00:29:53] Speaker B: Yeah, and then do another one. Yeah. I don't want to have to go around, set up everyone's GoFundMes. I, I, I think I took comments off of my personal Instagram and I just left it so that friends can comment.
And I saw some footballers doing it first and I was like, this is weird. And then I was like, oh, no. Because there are limits to what you can share with people or what you're comfortable with sharing with people. Right. Like Architect's band is there for people to leave comments on and say. And I don't have to read that.
And my page can be just for my friends and people can see it, but I just want to have chats with my mates. You know, One of my good friends who had gone through a bit of a hard time with people on the Internet, just said to me, he was like, you wouldn't give these people your phone number.
And I was like, yeah. He's like, so what's the difference? These people can just reach you straight away and just tell you whatever they want to tell you. I was like, fuck, yeah. He in fact was like, just delete the app. I was like, yeah, you got a point. You got a point. But no, just, it's just healthier that way. It's just healthier for me to just, just not take it in. And it doesn't shape my opinion on our band or anything, you know, I just want to create the best thing I possibly can, you know?
[00:31:10] Speaker A: And do you take all maybe the critics to do the new album?
[00:31:14] Speaker B: No, no, no, I don't think we didn't. We don't really think about, about sort of what is wanted from us, because then you wouldn't write a great record. I think me and Dan are probably the biggest architects fans. I think, you know, having been there from the start and seeing everything, I kind of know what I want from an architect's record and I feel like we've achieved it. I don't really think about like other people listening to it till it's done, you know, when it's like finished and being mixed and then placed in the hands of the label, then you're like, oh, God, here we go. You know, Then you're like, I hope they like it.
[00:31:48] Speaker C: Has it always been like this? Or is it something you, you know how to do with time?
[00:31:55] Speaker B: With time? Yeah, where time breeds more confidence. Right. In, in like what you're doing. I'm sure, like your first interviews with people, you. Probably not. It's not as casual or calm and good as you are now. You know, like the, the time and the learning and the mistakes and the successes help you. You get, get better. So. Yeah, I think, I think you just got to trust your gut really, haven't you? I think in, in the long run, like what you, you know, when you've done the best you can possibly do, and I know that there's, there's no stone left unturned on this record and there's nothing, there's nothing that we could have done better.
[00:32:28] Speaker C: No, wait a few months and then you'll be like, oh, we should have done this.
[00:32:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, there's always the way. But it's, it's, it's as, as close as can humanly be to me being extremely happy.
[00:32:44] Speaker A: Is there any strong time when you did an album? Moments when you are alone, you feel alone, you. You just cry? Maybe. I don't know.
[00:32:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I have a lot of. I have a lot of problems with my mental health. I have a lot of ups and downs and, and struggles and, and I think people see a pretty put together version of myself, but one that's. I'm very open and very honest about, about my, my, my mental health. I've been off and on antidepressants most of my adult life. I've been in therapy for, for a long time. I still have therapy once a week. And my therapist I've had for the last couple of years has been a. And a life changer, like a complete life changer.
And I encourage anybody and everybody to have a therapist or have a, have some form of an outlet. I know it's not as. Not everybody can afford it and I'm sure that there's ways around it. There's some amazing charities out there, but it's been so beneficial to my life. I think going sober the last, the last 17, 18 months has been a massive revelation for my mental health because I, I didn't realize how much it was taking out of me on a, On a Day to day basis and what it was doing to my body and my brain.
But I think, I don't, I don't think it's. There's ever a quick fix with it. I don't think it's like one day you're depressed, one day you're happy. I think it's. It's an ongoing journey that you have to stay on and take care of and manage yourself, you know, and, and, and not drain yourself and also not be too hard on yourself. You know, I think and talking to people and being honest with people is such a. An important, valuable asset to have. And as I say, I said earlier on, like a problem shared is a problem halved. Just have. Being able to have a discussion with someone and say something and had them go, me too, makes you feel a lot less alone.
And yeah, there's a lot of things that you can do to, to take care of yourself. But yeah, I just, I think we're all going to go through it at some point.
[00:34:55] Speaker A: You know, friends are good, but professionally is better.
[00:34:58] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Friends help you get you in the door.
[00:35:00] Speaker A: You know, I'm just asking you that because I always say. I always cry.
[00:35:05] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crying is good, man. Crying is good. Sometimes, Sometimes you need to. Sometimes you need to let it out and you can hold it in and it's an exercise.
[00:35:14] Speaker A: The body.
[00:35:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Sometimes you need to just release and just stop holding it all in and stop trying to be strong and brave. And I think the bravest you can be is when you just let yourself be.
[00:35:26] Speaker C: Do you feel singing for you is a way of releasing this kind of thing or it brings you to a place that it makes you more, you know, because it's also work and you have to.
[00:35:39] Speaker B: To go deeper to get it depends. I think it's like no two days are the same. I don't think for me, I think some days I can really need it. It's great to have a job where you can go and scream your life away when you, when you want to.
But sometimes the last thing you want to do is get on stage sometimes. Sometimes you just want to go to bed and hide. But the crowd and the shows are kind of what gets you through those moments, you know, it's not. It's. They'll pull you, pull you up when you need to, when it starts. Yeah. And when you give, you give to them. You give back. I think that's the thing that Architects has always done. We've kind of let the crowd know that they're as important to the show as we are, you know, if they want a good show, if they give us some, they'll get a good show, you know, and, yeah, we try. We try our absolute hardest for that.
[00:36:26] Speaker A: So I got a lot of questions, but it's time.
[00:36:29] Speaker B: Thank you so much.
[00:36:31] Speaker A: Thank you. See you maybe again.
[00:36:32] Speaker B: Yes, I hope so.
[00:36:33] Speaker A: And I have great shows because you are in March.
[00:36:36] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:36:36] Speaker A: In France for four shows.
[00:36:37] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:36:38] Speaker A: It's going to be amazing.
[00:36:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait. It's going to be so fun. And. Yeah. Places that we've not been for a while and can't think of a better way to sort of start off the album campaign.
[00:36:50] Speaker C: It's going to be great.
[00:36:51] Speaker A: Thank you so much.
[00:36:52] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:36:53] Speaker C: Thank you.
[00:36:53] Speaker B: Pleasure.
